I've just been reading a blog post about the difficulties of encasing many of the reds, yellows and oranges without them cracking.
I didn't know that these colours were known to be especially difficult, but maybe I've not tried encasing many of them.
Have any of you had problems / successes with encasing these colours? I know I have encased Maraschino with no problems and some yellows too - I tend to make small-ish beads, but now I'm wondering whether the beads will eventually crack? :-\
No problems with Effetre, but CIM clockwork doesn't seem keen on being encased!! I have got away with it a few times but I would say that 80% of the time it cracks!
just encases valentine, no cracking but was disappointed as it seems to have been diluted by the clear and my flowerd look rather flat
I never encase CIMs due to worries about cracking but have not had any problems (that I know of) with encasing the effetres.
Kazx
I use clockwork as the base for Clio beads which means it is encased 3 times. No problems.
Quote from: Shirley on May 10, 2013, 05:39:42 PM
I use clockwork as the base for Clio beads which means it is encased 3 times. No problems.
Me either!!
And I usually encase sangria too!
Now some of the frit blends can be tricky .... and I tend to leave them on the surface!
Ditto what Kaz says!
I've encased Sangria few times but the core is tiny in comparison to the encasing - no problems so far :)
Quote from: Kaz on May 10, 2013, 05:35:22 PM
I never encase CIMs due to worries about cracking but have not had any problems (that I know of) with encasing the effetres.
Kazx
Thanks everyone.
So... Kaz and Helen, do you not encase any CIM glass at all? Or just the reds?
Would they be less prone to cracking if encased with CIM clear?
Always
so much to learn about glass it seems, I guess that's partly what keeps us so fascinated by it!
(The blog I am referring to by the way, is Laura Sparling's http://www.beadsbylaurablog.com/2013/05/encasing-reds-oranges-and-yellows.html (http://www.beadsbylaurablog.com/2013/05/encasing-reds-oranges-and-yellows.html) )
I don't encase any CIM at all - even with CIM clear I have had problems with cracking and so I don't risk it. For the Clio thing I'd use eff orange striker or the batch of 422 that was opal.
Kazx
Nope, won't risk encasing any CIM unless its just dots of it. Spent many hours on many occasions making sets with CIM cores to have them all develop incompatibility cracks within a few hours of cleaning. Had problems encasing with CIM too. I used to encase with cranberry ALL the time with no prob, then had a batch that just wouldn't without cracking I even sent rods to half a dozen members on here to make sure I hadn't lost my touch or that my kiln was the problem, cracked with everyone else too so I'm afraid I'm totally with Kaz and think its not worth the risk when effetre has never caused me a problem ;)
Quote from: Kaz on May 10, 2013, 10:49:30 PM
I don't encase any CIM at all - even with CIM clear I have had problems with cracking and so I don't risk it. For the Clio thing I'd use eff orange striker or the batch of 422 that was opal.
Kazx
Me too now. I have had some that have survived with clockwork, but a big failure rate and often haven't noticed until about to sell it to a customer!!!!!
The only CIM that I ever had crack was Very Berry and that was only when I encased it with Effetre, not CIM clear. Weird. I've encased ALOT of sangre and clockwork, never had a problem!!
I don't encased many reds, but I have encased CiM Sangre with no problem at all. I also encase CiM Marshmallow and Dirty Martini very with no cracking ever. Maybe it depends on the batch of each glass?
The clockwork I've been encasing is probably from when it first came out, so I guess we must be talking at least 4 years.
As far as cranberry is concerned it was deffo dependant on batch ;)
Gosh I had not thought about compatibility with cim glass being encased. I have just done a few sets of elphba, & heffalump beads. I guess they can just go in the kiln & I will see what happens. It's unlike me not to trawl through old threads to research before I try things out.
Lynne :)
I've had cracking with kryptonite, so have resorted to using it on its own now. It's from an oldish batch, possibly bought three years ago. Newer batches might be okay? Shame as it's a lovely seafoam colour :(
Yes dreadful - I had a commission from another beadmaker for that encased! In the end I had to get effetre opal nile green which was the closest and that seemed OK.
Kazx
Gelly's Sty is a bugger for cracking under encasement too as I found out recently. Why is it always the nicest bead you've ever made that it happens to? And such an expensive colour too :'(
Oh well, I'm sure I'll have great fun trying to recreate the bead with effetre colours...
Louise
Quote from: Special Kay on May 12, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
Worst CIM I have had is poison apple, it doesnt like anything
Wish I'd seen this before I made a really nice lentil, half poison apple, half CIM olive, with SIS on it. There's a small crack on the poison apple half! Must be due to the SIS, I suppose. Oh well, you live and learn.
Nick
Just come across this article from Franz Glass.
Hope it helps:
http://www.frantznewsletter.com/2010/09/09/tips-and-techniques-a-solution-for-cracking-encasements/
Linda x
I encase CIM Sangria all of the time and never had a problem, nor any of the Eff reds coranges or yellow. Must be lucky I guess. x
Quote from: Madam Steph on May 13, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
Just come across this article from Franz Glass.
Hope it helps:
http://www.frantznewsletter.com/2010/09/09/tips-and-techniques-a-solution-for-cracking-encasements/
Linda x
Thank you for that, Linda, it's really interesting!
Nick